Hi
I have a drawing that was made of stencils made with the generator in Menu: Tools/Create User Defined Product.
I added a metric frame A1 from the default (\Title Block Templates - Metric.s07)
The print is always to smal. Not readable. Im confused. How do i debug such a problem?

This is a printscreen A1 Titleblock with some random device draged to the drawing.:

Rob is there somewhare a option to fix the atomatic scale that makes a drawing to fit on a page from automatic to 1:1?
Im fighting against an automator right now. I understand that there are customers that like/need that feature.
For me thats a nightmare.
I redrawn my schematic now splitting it up to several pages and it looks missajusted comparing 4 pages not one has the same textsize than another.
Presenting a Drawing that has different sizes of boxes even for the same device is not nice.

User Defined Print Scale is not currently an option, but if you use the technique described above - i.e. just add a rectangle for the drawing area of the paper size you want at 1:1, and use that same rectangle for all drawings to print at that paper size - then everything will be the same size at print time.

i hope this makes sense.


Kind regards,
Rob Robinson
Stardraw.com

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Rob Robinson - 3/1/2019 12:06:50 PM

User Defined Print Scale is not currently an option, but if you use the technique described above - i.e. just add a rectangle for the drawing area of the paper size you want at 1:1, and use that same rectangle for all drawings to print at that paper size - then everything will be the same size at print time.

i hope this makes sense.

I have Landscape(2xA2, 1xA1, 1xA3)  & Portrait(1xA3) so, now, do i realy have to calculate the scale and match a square to each Pagesize so that the Print looks same size prior to drawing my schematic? And on top: as the Frame Header is always same size equaly if its a A3 or a A1 its almost impossible to find the correct formula to calculate the scale of the rectangle correctly for each page size...
Thats a verry uncool workaround.
I had a look in to Vectorworks how they handle pages and they actualy have a background that scales with the zoomlevel so i can always see how big a page will be.
here is a printscreen:

Hi Novski,

Well, the problem you're trying to solve is telling different drawings that know nothing about each other that they have to be the same size in print, so you'll need to add some data to do that.  In my opinion, the addition of a simple rectangle is the easiest way to do this, and for Block Schematics you don't have to calculate any scale; it's just the size of the drawing area in print.

By the way, the ability to set a Print Scale does not in any way solve the problem.  You are using a Title Block, and when the Title Block is inserted into the drawing it sizes itself to fit the drawing.  Setting a Print Scale after the Title Block has been sized to the drawing would simply mean that the Title Blocks will be different sizes in different drawings in print - this will look even worse.

Given that the real issue is sizing the Title Block, I therefore cannot think of a more elegant solution than starting with a rectangle to represent the drawing area.

To make things even easier you could save the rectangle for each of your paper sizes as a custom symbol so that they can be dragged in from the Symbol Browser; this way you create the rectangle once and recycle it for every drawing. Here's a suggested procedure:

1) Choose File | Open and open the Title Block template e.g. "Title Block Templates - Metric.s07"
2) Go to the tab for the page size and orientation you want e.g. "A3 Landscape"
3) Drag a selection rectangle around everything you can see and delete, to remove all visible objects.
4) Choose View | Layers and make the Title Block Drawing Area layer visible.  You'll see a single rectangle.
5) Choose File | Export | AutoCAD and save to a sensible folder and filename e.g. Documents\Symbols\Page Sizes\A3 Landscape.dwg
6) Repeat steps 2-5 for each page size and orientation you want.
7) In Tools | Personalization | Symbol Directories click on New and select Documents\Symbols.  Click on OK

Now, if you want different Block Schematic drawings to have the exact same-sized symbols in print, start each  drawing with the same page size symbol, selected from the Symbol Browser.  Just remember not to place symbols etc outside of the drawing area.

This is less work than it sounds and it will solve the exact problem that you're facing which is, to restate, how to have Title Blocks inserted at the same size across different drawings, ignoring the actual size of the extents of the symbols, cables etc in those drawings.

I hope this gives you all you need.

Kind regards,
Rob Robinson
Stardraw.com