User defined rack symbols and rack drawings, help!


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Mats
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Hello,

Regarding the link between the product list and drawings (racks in front and rear views for example). I think that you miss a very important point here, almost all drawing systems that handles products also have "views", and with this You can have more then one view of the same object, a rack should then have 3 views, front, rear and side, without adding the need for print screen and paste in an "image" of a specific view.

It's the same for the block schematics, we usually have complex drawings, that take up an A0 or above, so we split it down to perhaps 15-25 A3 or A4 drawings, again different views of the same basic objects.

Anyway, a more irritating problem is that images in the rack symbols are treated totally wrong, please see my attached screen prints where I first define a rack symbol, insert a jpg or png image of the front and rear view of the product, then I store the symbol.

Later when I try to use the stored symbol, the image that covered the complete front or rear view is just a small image in the corner...

I have attached the images I try to use as well.

This worked ok in Stardraw A/V 2007.

Br

Mats
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Create_rack_symbol_rear.jpg (824 views, 267.00 KB)
Create_rack_symbol_side.jpg (742 views, 234.00 KB)
Use_rack_symbol_in_rack_front.jpg (757 views, 533.00 KB)
Use_rack_symbol_in_rack_rear.jpg (876 views, 534.00 KB)
MX-FR80R_front.png (707 views, 445.00 KB)
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David Snipp
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Mats,

Can you upload an attachment of a project that contains your symbol showing the image problem?

Yes, the way to close the "Symbol Editor" is by clicking on the Close button. Think of it as a special project file.

As for showing the front and rear view of a product at the same time; Stardraw AV 2007 can be described as a drawing program with symbols. Stardraw Design 7 is a Project and Product based program that has symbolic representations of the products in different views. This provides much more powerful integration between the drawings and the project. For example, you can delete a product from a project and it will delete the product from all the drawings. Showing the Front & Rear View symbols of a product in the same drawing implies that there are 2 instances of that product in the project. I suspect that you are not trying to represent 2 instances of the product but instead show 2 views of the same product in the same drawing. Do you mind if the rear view of the product is not actually linked to a product? If not, then it should be possible to create a graphical copy of the symbol and just paste it into your drawing - treating it just like an image. We are working on a feature that will allow you to copy a selection as either an image or a metafile that can then be pasted into the same window without it pasting the whole product. For now, you should be able to do this by taking a screenshot - by hitting the Print Screen button and then pasting it into PAINT or some other image editing software and cropping out the parts you don't want and then saving it as a PNG file, which you can then insert, using the image tool, back into your Rack Drawing. I know this isn't ideal as it is a raster image but it will give you what you want now.

David Snipp
Stardraw.com Ltd
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Hello,

I am preparing rack symbols for some products, and I define the width, depth and hight, and get a frame in the symbol library, with the correct dimensions.
I now put in images of the front and rear view of the products (frm product manuals), and I align and scale the image to the frame size.
Looks fine, I can switch between front, rear and side views.
I save the symbol.
When I want to use the symbol, the frame still have the correct size, but the image is scaled totally wrong, the image "size" is correct but the image is only displayed in one corner.
This worked ok in the A/V 2007 version.

Also, how do I exit the symbol editor, is it only bye the X button in the upper corner, or is there another way ?

Next step is to do a proper RACK drawing, and usually we use front, rear and side view in the same drawing, this is quickly fixed in A/V 2007, but seems to be totally impossible in the new version ?
In the A/V 2007 version, You just took a copy of the rack parts (in ungrouped mode) of the rear or side view, and pasted in this into the front view, now when You try You get
a messed up drawing with copies of the front view, but with incorrect placed objects...

Currently it seems that I need to go back to the old version, remake all customized products and redo all work in version A/V 2007, but I clearly hope not.
It seems that a lot of basic functionality in A/V 2007 doesn't even exist in version 7 ?!?

I hope I am wrong, but I seems to be pushed into a corner, where there is basic functionality that You are used to is missing (?)

Help!

Br
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